Talk:East vs. West Ultimate Game

Hey Memoriae, i do understand this goal is very lofty and all, but i would like to see it happen. now for some problem solving:

1). i think that the only possible way that any adminstration would allow this to happen is to keep the number of students being transported to a minimum, so only the team members themselves would be allowed to attend. This would also take care of keeping the majority of tipsters separate as it would only be roughly the size of one rag and they would leave as soon as the game ended. If the game is held at East, it could go on as a normal activity for East campus. So if people wanted to watch it would be limited to only a few that sign up for it. The rest would attend other activities. Having it as an evening activity would take care of what the rest of the TIPsters would be doing and the trip could be a reward for winning the student tournament so it can't be seen as unfair. 2). The limited amount of people would also create less time for a need of rule enforcement. Seeing as the mixing of campus would be limited to the players and a small number of home team fans, the only rule enforcement would be for spectators and there would only be one campus's spectators present. The kids from West, all of whom would be playing in the game, would be hard-pressed to find a rule to break if there only time on East was during an Ultimate Game. 3). If only needing 15 players at most for transportation, i feel that the rented vehicles at TIP campuses would be sufficient to handle transportation. TA's could work as drivers like they do for RAG nights, and only a few staff members need to go to monitor 15 frisbee players. 4). For this i cannot give an exact answer. If there is something like Swine Flu around next year, i would expect it not to happen. But if there is a lack of a Swine Flu like disease, i don't see why campuses couldn't come in contact. Kids at TIP already have the chance of getting sick by living with 300 other teens, plus the other camps. I don't see it as that much riskier to let the camps mix as long as one does not have a breakout of disease. 5). I would second the opinion that West really doesn't have a field to play on. As for a neutral site, i can ask a friend of mine that attends Duke if there are any fields in the area big enough to play on.

This still has holes i realize, but i hope that it is closer to becoming reality. -- 00:08, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Heyo: first of all, Good Luck.

Second of all: you have WAY too much faith in the Staff to be able to coordinate this sort of thing between campuses, and to try to get this thing started now. Hiring will not start until next year, and this is ultimately a decision that would have to be approved by the OSDs of each site, if not Main Office itself (and unless one of you is, like, related to someone in Main Office, I can already tell you what their answer would be).

It's a great idea in theory, but if you want it to become an idea in practice here are some problems you'll have to overcome:

1). Who exactly would be shipped from campus to campus? 1a). If it's just the away team (which is the most logistically possible), how would the actual dynamics of the game work out with such lopsided numbers of fans? 1b). If it's the away team and their fans, how will the host campus deal with supervising the extra number of TIPsters from a different campus? How will the other campus deal with the fact that their staff will be split? 1c). If it's the entire other campus, how the heck will we fit everyone on one campus? 1d). If it's 1b or 1c, how will we make sure that we safely divide the TIPsters by campus after the game is over, or keep TIPsters from a different campus from entering dorm buildings? (You may think this is not a big deal, but staff are contractually obligated NOT to let anyone but TIPsters from their own campus, including personal guests, into the residence halls, even when there aren't any TIPsters around!) If your answer is "Flush the buildings of everyone and guard the doors," you've just created a lot of enemies among the TIPsters who are, say, cramming for their Lip Synch Act and could care less about the game.

2). How do you expect staff to deal with the inevitable comparing of campus dynamics? Again, this may not seem to be a big deal, but Way Back In The Day East and West went to the same Bulls games. That stopped because different campuses enforce different rules in different ways and it was wreaking havoc. Consequently, we had crazy things like East RCs confiscating Westies' cell phones.

3). How would transportation work, given the limited number of vehicles and/or drivers on each campus, and the fact that intercampus buses, especially over the weekends, are few and far between?

And 4). (and please don't kill me for this one) What about Swine Flu? Not that I think it'll be back next summer (vaccines yey!), but my guess is that visitation rules and things like that are going to be a lot stricter on all campuses regardless as Main Office reviews its policies from 2009.

Finally, the rotating field idea is rubbish. I've played on both campuses and I can tell you that East is the only one that's really set up to handle a proper game (sorry, Westies!). So it'd be better to find some sort of neutral playing ground off both campuses.

The best way you could make this an actuality is if you brought this up to someone who could bring it up to Main Office in time for them to set something official, charter buses and all (which I doubt MO would be willing to hire out again), and move both the campuses out to a tertiary site each year on neutral ground. Everyone on each campus would have to go, which would not be very popular among some TIPsters, and that still wouldn't take care of Problems 2 or 4. It would not be considered a time-honored tradition unless it were kept up for about 3 years in a row, either, which means that if the staff changes too much between those years it still might die.

I don't mean to spoil the party, but I also wanted to make sure that you knew how much work this would involve on the staff's end to make this work out, for a rather intangible reward. Just so that you don't get your hopes up too much.

--Memoriae 05:17, 26 August 2009 (UTC)

We could try and do this in '10, i was captain of the West team that beat staff last year, and am returning as a fourth year to do it again, so i would be willing to talk to some of the staff, (i know some that are returning) about doing it for at least the West campus-- 23:23, 27 July 2009 (UTC) I'll contact the staff I'm still in contact with.

In '10 sounds good. Although our term was cancelled early and we were not able to play the staff, i will be the captain next year (for East) and we could start talking about finding a place to do it as well as a time. -David Freed

Maybe the second Sunday of the term, seeing as Quadfest was usually on that saturday before it, and from what i here, you guys have better places to play than we do so maybe somewhere on East -- 00:33, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

We definitely have a place on East, but i think that Sunday is the day of Student vs. Staff for East... If we could do it earlier Sunday (in the free time we have in the morning) maybe that would be best. - David

Note: The game is also sometimes held on Friday.-Phillip

Yeah at West we usually have it on friday, but i think Sunday morning could work-- 10:53, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

How exactly do we start the process or getting the game approved by Duke though? - David

Do you know of any rcs that will be coming back? I know one that i can ask, and if he can't do anything he will tell me who i need to contact-- 16:56, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

I do not exactly know any rcs that are coming back. I might know one at Duke East next year and i can ask about that. Wait, are you term I or term II Ty? - David

I will be term 1, but if we talk to them ahead of time, we could get it for both terms.-- 02:02, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Makes a lot of sense, do you know the west term II captain? We need him and the east term I captain in order to organize it probably... although if it was an event then maybe we don't... either way, have you contacted that rc yet? I will get started on trying to contact one myself - David

He was a fourth year, so was the East term I captain, that is why it is up to us, and yeah i will send him a facebook message tonight-- 00:13, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Ok, thanks a lot. He might know who the new captain is in any case, which would be helpful. I will try to figure out the East Term I captain in any case so that we can all get to organizing the event. - David

Im guessing what you guys are doing applies to term 2 - Tyler

Yes, if we get this approved, it will be for both terms-- 10:47, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

New Staff will not be picked until March, so i would guess that is when we would ask some of the head staffers.-- 10:48, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Wow, that's a long time. Hmmm... Would we have to contact the administrators afterward through a letter of some sort? - David

I will find out the e-mails for the main people, then we could both write them asking, and i think we could try and organize some form of an online petition before March to have prepared to show them.-- 22:06, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

I think the facebook group will be a sufficient online petition. Although we could get incoming 4th years to make a petition (separately) considering many people in that group are already done with TiP. We'd have to especially get the frisbee players as well, maybe start another facebook group - David

Yeah, i mean, it would be alright if they were gone, but we need people coming back too-- 04:15, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Agreed, but when do we start contacting the staff? - David

Ive already started asking some of the RC's this year for who to ask, like some higher ups that stay for more than a year- Tyler

Well, i haven't been able to contact any staff that work for TIP all year, but i will keep trying and if anyone else is able let me know.-- 21:41, 23 August 2009 (UTC)